beatniknight ([info]beatniknight) wrote,

Who can take yesterday, wrap it in some gloom?

I went into the theater with the expectation that I would not enjoy Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (with Johnny Depp) as much as I enjoyed Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (with the funniest American comedian of all time, Gene Wilder), and that probably affected the way I found the movie (also the fact that the theater was filled with screaming children, who laughed hysterically at everything that only warranted a slight chuckle. And the fact that because of said children, and despite arriving at the theater fifteen minutes early, the only available seats were in the second row, which hurt the neck). I was not wrong. Gene Wilder is, according to a variety of news reports, furious at the making of this movie, and, quite frankly, so am I. But, for the sake of journalism, I'll try not to compare the two movies.





First of all, let me begin on a positive note. The movie is visually stunning. Tim Burton does again what he's done so well in the past. The sets, action sequences and whatnot are unanimously more beautiful than anything the original movie ever produced. There was a great overuse of CG, which always bothers me, but it was done so skillfully that one often cannot tell it's being done through computer at all.

However, where the movie fails, I feel it fails exceedingly hard. The plot is thinner than the skankiest prostitute's g-string. There are is no conflict to speak of. Not one in the entire movie, and as Syd Field will tell you, without conflict you have no plot, and without a plot you have no story. Without a story, you should have no movie. When Charlie wins (I hope that doesn't spoil anything, you all knew it would happen) you get the feeling that he hasn't achieved anything, that it was simply luck that he won, and that anyone could have won without severely altering anything). Wonka is not excited about it in the least, and honestly, neither is Charlie. It also happens entirely too abruptly. Similarly the finding of the Golden Ticket comes too quickly, and Charlie seems only vaguely interested. The ending feels both overly drawn out, and zipped through. (I can't get into more details without ruining the whole thing, but I think you'll see what I mean when you watch it)

Much of the problem with the plot stems from the fact that every character is dull. Wonka is not at all the way I pictured him, seeming more like a creepy Michael Jackson clone than the creator of confectionary wonder (incidentally, this is exactly how I picture Tim Burton. If I were a parent, I would be loathe to let my child near him, let alone be directed by him). His voice and mannerisms are child-like to the extreme, and his acting (which I always appreciate, just not in this particular case) took its cues from Parker Posey's Fiona in Josie and the Pussycats, lisp and everything. It becomes tiresome after not very long, and when he is the only character that seems capable of speaking more than a sentence, I found myself experimenting with just how many different ways I could picture his violent demise. My friend, John, said he felt similarly, but found himself, instead, wondering if Wonka's outfits would fit him, and where he could possibly buy them. Wonka also tends to have annoyingly irrelevant flashbacks, ultimately culminating in a cheesy, lovey, pro-family message that seems wildly out of place with the rest of the movie.

The music, I felt, was also a problem. In the beginning, a decidedly dark bit of music (it sounds like the opening to Edward Scissor Hands) plays while Wonka bars are being made, leaving me to ask, "What are you being so ominous for? It's chocolate, not a vampire." The Oompa Loompa songs were hard to hear or to understand (though that could have been the speakers we were sitting near, which sucked).

Ultimately, and everyone may disagree with me, the movie is yet another summer flick that doesn't live up to expectations (or does, if you're me). I'm sorry.
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[info]jebimstr

July 16 2005, 07:46:24 UTC 6 years ago

interesting thoughts.

i would like to say that i don't think this movie is a remake of the other one.

and having reread the book only a few days beforehand... i don't know if i could agree. you have read Dahl before right?

[info]beatniknight

July 16 2005, 16:17:39 UTC 6 years ago

Yes, I've read the book, but, let's face it, movies are not books. You cannot get away with the same things in a movie as you can in a book. It would be nice, but the world simply doesn't work that way. Just look at Adaptation.

[info]blondie_boi

July 16 2005, 13:21:56 UTC 6 years ago

I mean there is so much room for plot in a movie like Charlie and the Choclate Factory. The subtle undertones they could've put into the movie. Charlie's mother's affair with Willy Wonka, the molestation between Charlie and Grandpa Joe...

Sometimes kids movies lack plot because well they're being watched by kids.

[info]beatniknight

July 16 2005, 16:09:38 UTC 6 years ago

I think you may be missing the point a bit here. It doesn't have to be a stunning piece of drama that causes the entire house to simultaneously weep. But I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that something HAPPEN in a movie. There isn't the slightest bit of conflict and that equals boring watching.

[info]kitkats99

July 16 2005, 16:23:49 UTC 6 years ago

I dont know how anybody can say that version was boring, when the Gene Wilder version has the most boring scene of any movie ive ever seen when the stupid mom is doing laundry and singing cheer up charlie.

[info]beatniknight

July 16 2005, 16:29:27 UTC 6 years ago

True. That scene sucks. I would have liked to see them cut it out entirely, and when I watch the DVD I skip past it. But I thought the rest of it was not boring at all, and was wildly enjoyable.

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[info]kitkats99

July 16 2005, 16:34:06 UTC 6 years ago

So whats the great conflict in the Gene Wilder version? You know before the movie starts that Charlie is going to win, no matter if he steals fizzy lifting drink, gives the gobstopper back, or pulls out a gun and blows a couple oompa loompas away just for fun.

[info]beatniknight

July 16 2005, 16:40:45 UTC 6 years ago

Of course he's going to win, it's a children's movie, but the obsticles on the path to him winning are what make a movie great. When Charlie drinks the Fizzy Lifting Drink and is about to be chopped to bits: conflict. When Augustus is in the chocolate river, Charlie leaps to save him with the giant lollipop: yet more conflict. When Wonka tells him "you get nothing, you lose, good day sir": that's conflict as well. Furthermore, we're now comparing the two movies, which I really was trying to avoid (even if towards the end I became too tired to realize that I was, it's fixed now).

[info]kitkats99

July 16 2005, 14:03:51 UTC 6 years ago

its not a remake of the other movie. its a version of the book. its almost exactly like the book, whereas the other movie strayed quite a bit. roald dahl hated the other version of the movie and always wanted it remade. this movie was executive produced by his widow who thinks its the movie that should have been made in the first place. Most people felt that Willy Wonka was a massacring of the book, just as you think this movie was a massacreing of the "original" movie. I love both movies, but both movies have their faults. The beginning of the Willy Wonka movie is extremely boring and most people only have fond memories of that movie because they grew up watching it. Watch it again, and its only slightly amusing. it just annoys me when people say things are remakes when they arent. every version of Hamlet or Romeo and Juliet that comes out is not a remake of the previous movie, its an adaptation of the play, just as this is an adaptation of the book, not a remake of another movie.

[info]almond_willow

July 16 2005, 15:05:51 UTC 6 years ago

Dahl wrote the script to the first Wonka movie . . .

[info]kitkats99

July 16 2005, 15:08:54 UTC 6 years ago

no he didnt. he wrote the book and they based the screenplay off that. he wrote the script for chitty chitty bang bang.

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July 16 2005, 15:12:48 UTC 6 years ago

"Roald Dahl was reportedly so angry with the treatment of his book (mainly stemming from the massive rewrite by David Seltzer, who wrote the screenplay) that he refused permission for the book's sequel, Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, to be filmed. Seltzer had an idea for a new sequel, but legal issues meant that it never got off the ground."

Anonymous

July 16 2005, 16:06:53 UTC 6 years ago

No, I know that it was not technically a remake. However, that doesn't change my opinions of the acting, or the script itself. It was still dull, in my opinion.

[info]beatniknight

July 16 2005, 16:27:19 UTC 6 years ago

That last comment was me. I'm just going to add one further thing. There are ways, I think, of making the script adhere to the original book, while achieving all of the things that the book can do (because it's a book), and that I feel this particular movie does not. I think that children will love it, but I did not.

Anonymous

July 16 2005, 14:19:39 UTC 6 years ago

Also 2 points:

When Charlie wins, he isnt supposed to have achieved anything. He's supposed to win just because he's a good kid in comparison to the other 4. In the Willy Wonka movie they added that whole subplot about stealing the everlasting gobstopper for slugworth or whatever and then having charlie return it, but then threw in the fizzy bubble drinks and made charlie and grandpa joe just as bad as everybody else. if anything, in the first one, charlie was the only one who had a chance to return the everlasting gobstopper and "redeem himself" because all the other 4 were mutilated in some way. so he didnt win because he was a good kid, he won just because he was the only one who had the chance to return it.

2.charlie isnt supposed to be all that excited about his chances of finding a golden ticket. he's supposed to feel like he has the smallest chance on the planet of finding one. and when he does find one, the first thought that crosses his mind is selling it to buy his family food, unlike in the willy wonka movie where they dance around and sing about getting a lifetime supply of chocolate when all they have to eat is cabbage water.

[info]beatniknight

July 16 2005, 16:15:11 UTC 6 years ago

Actually, in the Gene Wilder version, Charlie remains a good kid, because it was Grandpa Joe that tells him to drink it. He listens, because he is a child. It is Grandpa Joe's fault, not his, and that, in my opinion, is why he got a second chance.

I understand that he's going to sell it, it doesn't mean he has to be so blaise about it. If nothing else, he's got mounds and mounds of cash now.

[info]kitkats99

July 16 2005, 16:28:27 UTC 6 years ago

he didnt "tell" him to. he suggested it and charlie willingly went along with it. the whole reason he won was because he gave the gobstopper back.

[info]bobbyboy183

July 16 2005, 16:26:33 UTC 6 years ago

I was under the impression that this is a different adaptation of the book and not a remake of the original movie.

[info]beatniknight

July 16 2005, 16:27:59 UTC 6 years ago

I know. I get it. I've heard it before. I apologize. I wrote that review at 3:00 in the morning after several drinks. I'll change it now.

[info]allamericanjock

July 16 2005, 19:49:14 UTC 6 years ago


  • I agree that the characterization was thin, and the plot flat.
  • I also noticed that Wonka was portrayed vaguely like Michael Jackson, but unlike you, I actually kind of liked that interpretation.
  • My friend Mike (aaajockboy), who I saw it with, said this version is closer to the book... for what that's worth.
  • I really liked the squirrels. Ok, I'm a push-over for cute little creatures that attack people visciously. LOL

[info]beatniknight

July 17 2005, 18:13:07 UTC 6 years ago

Yeah, a few other people have mentioned the feeling of Jackson in Depp's performance. Maybe it's because I don't have a tv and therefore didn't see hundreds of hours of Jackson coverage but I didn't think that until people started saying it. It did make me feel dirty watching it though.

I personally feel like, just because it's close to the book (exceptt for that backstory, I mean come on!) doesn't mean that it's necessarily good. Books and movies are capable of getting away with different things because of their respective mediums.

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[info]beatniknight

July 17 2005, 18:20:51 UTC 6 years ago

There really was no warm and fuzzy moment. I just wasn't excited that Charlie won, and it was mostly because I didn't feel like he was all that excited he'd won.

[info]fiyero06

July 20 2005, 06:03:19 UTC 6 years ago

I was very dissappointed in the movie. It was funny at points, but still...it was horrible over all. It was very boring to me b/c I felt like it was just a newer version of the old one. Everything seemed almost the same except it was more high-tech and there was the whole thing about Willie Wonka's dad. It was mostly just a visual movie. Like you said, it had no plot. It's simply a children's movie.

However it would be interesting (this being a tim burton film) if he had made into a more dark, frightening almost, sorta movie. Like I could totally see Marilyn Manson playing Willie Wonka. Spare me the girly voice that Johnny did, PLEASE!

[info]beatniknight

July 20 2005, 06:37:52 UTC 6 years ago

Yes, that was the rumor going around a few years ago, was that Marylin Manson would play Wonka. Never came to fruition, that one.
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